Muslims weren 't the Enemy who attacked us on 911! : Miami IMC

There are enimies within the USA responsible for the 911 attack.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0603/22/ldt.01.html

BLITZER: Thank you. As Wolf just mentioned, Senator Hillary Clinton tonight, voicing her opposition to tough border security legislation that's now under debate on Capitol Hill.

Meanwhile, Cardinal Roger Mahoney of Los Angeles, the leader of the largest Catholic diocese in this country, says worshipers should break the law, if necessary, to help illegal aliens in this tough -- if this tough border legislation is passed.

Joining me now to talk about God and politics, the Catholic Church and illegal immigration is Father Richard Neuhaus. He's founder the Institute for Religion and Public Life, and Father, it's good to have you here.

FATHER RICHARD NEUHAUS, INST. FOR RELIGION & PUBLIC LIFE: Good to be with you, Lou. DOBBS: The idea that the Catholic Church would, through in the person of the Bishop's Conference and Cardinal Mahoney, inject itself so vigorously and really call for basically civil disobedience is remarkable.

NEUHAUS: Well, the New York Times editorial page lauded him for his courage for introducing important moral considerations into this public policy issue.

DOBBS: What are the moral considerations if one names a specific piece of legislation, as the cardinal did. And calls for, first the rejection of the legislation, specifically, and calls for disobedience?

NEUHAUS: Yes. I think the language of civil disobedience was unfortunate. But you have to make a clear distinction between pastoral care on the one hand, which is the substantive issue that the cardinal was pushing, and on which he's right. The church cannot become a instrument of the law enforcement of the criminal justice system.

DOBBS: Should government become an instrument of the church?

NEUHAUS: No, no. The pastoral care is one thing, public policy is another thing. Now on pastoral care, the church's religious freedom is inviolable.

That means you serve everybody and you don't ask whether they're legal or illegal or whatever else the problems may be, you respond to the problems that are presented to you, because you simply are the church. Public policy, you're right. You get into a dicey area. But it's not simply limited to the Catholic Church and certainly not to this immigration policy.

DOBBS: No it's not.

NEUHAUS: It's whenever religious leaders use their authority in a way that seems to be suggesting that those who disagree with a particular position are somehow out of sync with the teachings of church. Then you begin to get problems, unless your really dealing with something like abortion, euthanasia, where you do have solid teaching of the church. But on immigration policy, obviously people of equal intelligence and goodwill can very strongly disagree, and do.

DOBBS: Vigorously. That's where we are right now in this time.

NEUHAUS: Of course.

DOBBS: But also we're talking about an issue that is broader even than illegal immigration. That is, the relationship between religion and government, God and politics. And frankly we're at a time, I will tell you, Father, I'm a very nervous American.

I believe in a separation of church and state. Millions of other Americans do, and The Constitution that seems to get in the way of a lot of people in this country insists upon it. And it is a two-way relationship. And it becomes very difficult to see how we can defend that separation if we permit an intrusion on the part the church into public policy.

Because we're watching -- not only Catholics, I want to be clear. We have evangelicals who are apparently influencing this administration strongly, reaching to the hearts, minds, and souls of some of our Congressional people as well.

NEUHAUS: But Lou, the separation of Church and state never meant, and cannot mean and never will mean the separation of religion from politics. Religion is basically those deepest commanding truths, those moral principles. It's not all that religion is, but it is certainly that, which you bring to bear in making political judgments and arguments. So the alternative is, and this is the argument of --

DOBBS: I have no problem.

NEUHAUS: The alternative is the naked public square. The alternative is a political process in which you say to certain people, because their deepest convictions are religiously grounded, you say oh you cannot bring your deep moral convictions into the debate.

DOBBS: I would want anyone to bring who they are into the debate.

NEUHAUS: Exactly.

DOBBS: Whether it be their religion, their spiritual beliefs.

NEUHAUS: Their political philosophy. Their, whatever, sure.

DOBBS: But when we take a personal system of religious beliefs and it becomes the foundation of public policy, it seems to me, when we're excited about whether a James Dobson likes a Supreme Court candidate or doesn't, whether the Catholic Church wants to bring 20 million additional adherents into its American church, while tolerating poverty in Mexico and Central America, then maybe we should all be discussing how the Catholic Church is conducting itself in social and governmental and political issues.

NEUHAUS: Let's not discuss it in terms of church state separation. Whether it be Jim Dobson or whether it be Cardinal Mahoney. The discussion is not --

DOBBS: I'll defer to you.

NEUHAUS: The discussion is not about church state separation. The discussion is an honest disagreement in which religious leaders, as much as everybody else, as citizens, participate in the deliberation and decision-making process in the public square. So the fact is, that you disagree.

DOBBS: No, I don't disagree. I'm out of time. I do disagree as well, but I'm more out of time than disagreeing. I hope you will come back soon and we'll continue the discussion.

NEUHAUS: Always a pleasure.

DOBBS: Appreciate it. Father Richard Neuhaus, thank you.

Commentary: Cardinal Roger Mahoney of Los Angeles, the leader of the largest Catholic diocese in this country, says worshipers should break the law, if necessary, to help illegal aliens in this tough -- if this tough border legislation is passed.

and Lou Dobbs says: But when we take a personal system of religious beliefs and it becomes the foundation of public policy, it seems to me, when we're excited about whether a James Dobson likes a Supreme Court candidate or doesn't, whether the Catholic Church wants to bring 20 million additional adherents into its American church, while tolerating poverty in Mexico and Central America, then maybe we should all be discussing how the Catholic Church is conducting itself in social and governmental and political issues

So why is the Catholic Church Tax exempt? Just how involved is the Jesuit controlled Catholic Church involved in our politics? Watch this video with an open mind.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3891535120990840079&q=who+controls+the+world

http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/4026.php

Murtha or Bush on Iraq?

http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/3996.php
Formation of the Military Industrial Dictatorship

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/03/335923.shtml
SCHOLARS AFFIRM CHENEY COMPLICITY IN 9/11.

http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/3926.phpNo censure: Impeach

http://seattle.indymedia.org/en/2005/08/247435.shtml
Who has the elite allied themselves with?

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/vatican-ny.html

http://www.vaticanassassins.org/

Now if you think this is a joke, take a look at
http://dc.indymedia.org/
the home of Georgetown University, and the supplier of most of the brueacratic
office workers for our Congressman and Senators.
Some of the headlines there today, March 23:
Immigrants' Rights Rally-March 7, 2006
10 Mar 2006

by Anonymous
Thousands of people converged on the Capitol on Tuesday, March 7, to demand that Congress throw out the cruel Sensenbrenner/King bill (H.R. 4437), and adopt a comprehensive, humane, immigration policy. The Sensenbrenner/King bill would make all undocumented immigrants "aggravated felons", would build more jails for immigrants, and would make anyone who "aided" an undocumented immigrant or transported her or him within the U.S. an "alien smuggler". This could include driving someone to the doctor, or driving a coworker home...

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March 28th, 6:00 pm: Workers Rights in the Global Economy...and the Missing Link of Immigration Reform
Mobilization for Global Justice Meeting: Wed, 3/22 7-9 pm Plan for spring WB/IMF

Globalization, is the brain child of the globalized Jesuit
Organization:
http://www.sjweb.info/locatio/assistancies.cfm

http://www.sjweb.info/index.cfm If their aims were really of tolerance and multicultural acceptance, they’d be harmless,
But their aim is to install the infallible Pope, God on Earth, and their oath is to destroy all nonbelievers. Their organization believes the End justifies the means. They want the Pope to rule from Jerusalem, and have been actively working toward that end.

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> http://www.bizbash.com/content/editorial/mediafiles/e4422Al-Smith-320.jpg
> New York Governor Roman Catholic George Pataki, former NY governor Hugh
> L. Carey, Knight of Malta,Skull and Bonesman, and thirty-third degree
> Freemason Episcopalian George H.W. Bush, and Papal Court Jew NYC Mayor
> Michael Bloomberg pictured with their political boss pedophile and
> sodomite Edward Cardinal Egan.
> George Pataki was invited to join a Masonic lodge as a Master Mason.
> Pataki accepted then declined due to pressure from the Catholic Church
> according to the New York Post.
> http://freemasonrywatch.org/pataki.html
> http://www.realnews247.com/pataki_mason_feature_story.htm
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> http://images.lancasteronline.com/ap/al_smith_dinner.sff_ful.jpg
> Former President George H.W. Bush, left, is applauded by Archbishop of New
> York Cardinal Edward Egan and former Governor of the State of New York
> Hugh L. Carey, right, after Bush spoke at the 59th annual Alfred E. Smith
> Memorial Foundation Dinner at the Waldorf Astoria hotel in New York,
> Thursday, Oct 21, 2004.

http://www.vaticanassassins.org/pope_fed.htm.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848

http://14.freebb.com/viewtopic.php?p=1491&freebb=unhivedmind#1491
> Edmond Paris - The Secret History of Jesuits (75) book (PDF)

No where in the Jesuit oath do I see the” Love one another “doctrine that Jesus Christ taught.